Comparing Great Athletes

Who was better? A blog that examines the greats of sports history against each other.

Thursday, December 17, 2015

Top 100 Heavyweights of All Time

1Joe Louis  
2Muhammad Ali  
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3Lennox Lewis  
4George Foreman
5Larry Holmes
6Rocky Marciano  
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7Joe Frazier 
8Jack Dempsey 
9Evander Holyfield
10Mike Tyson
11Jack Johnson 
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12Sonny Liston 
13Wladimir Klitschko
14Vitali Klitschko
15Riddick Bowe
16Floyd Patterson 
17Ken Norton 
18Ezzard Charles
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19Harry Wills  
20Gene Tunney
21Sam Langford 
22Jim Jeffries 
23John L. Sullivan 
24Bob Fitzsimmons  
25Jersey Joe Walcott 
26Michael Spinks
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27Michael Moorer
28Max Baer 
29Max Schmeling 
30Ingemar Johansson  
31Jerry Quarry  
32Tim Witherspoon
33Tommy Burns  
34Jimmy Bivins 
35Oscar Bonavena 
36Ray Mercer
37Primo Carnera  
38Jack Sharkey 
39Buster Douglas
40Ron Lyle  
41Jimmy Ellis  
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42Gerry Cooney
43Frank Bruno
44Tommy Morrison 
45Tony Tubbs
46Ernie Terrell  
47Andrew Golota
48Archie Moore  
49Chris Byrd
50Jim Corbett  
51Billy Miske  
52James J. Braddock  
53Jimmy Young  
54Earnie Shavers
55Mike Weaver
56Gerrie Coetzee
57Zora Folley  
58Eddie Machen 
59Pinklon Thomas
60Michael Dokes 
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61Marvin Hart  
62Tony Tucker
63David Haye
64Billy Conn 
65Philadelphia Jack O’Brien 
66Jess Willard  
67David Tua
68Hasim Rahman
69James Toney
70Alexander Povetkin
71Oliver McCall
72Razor Ruddock
73Ruslan Chagaev
74Nikolay Valuev
75John Ruiz
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76Roland LaStarza 
77Tommy Gibbons 
78Carl Williams 
79Trevor Berbick  
80Greg Page   
81George Chuvalo
82Gus Lesnevich 
83Cleveland Williams
84Peter Jackson 
85Sam McVea  
86Samuel Peter
87Joe Choynski  
88Gus Ruhlin 
89Joe Jeannette  
90Henry Cooper
91Joe Bugner
92Oleg Maskaev
93Harold Johnson 
94Doug Jones
95Bruce Seldon
96Alex Stewart
97Bonecrusher Smith
98Nino Valdes 
99John Tate 
100Brian Nielsen

Wednesday, November 5, 2014

Best Heavyweights: Prime and Career


Top 50 Heavyweights of All-Time in Their Prime
                  (Peak Year in Parenthesis)
1. Muhammad Ali (1966)------last great performance: 1975  6'3"  213 LBS
2. Mike Tyson (1988)---------last great performance: 1996   5'10"  218 LBS $$$$teroids
3. Joe Louis  (1938)----------last great performance: 1948    6'2"   199 LBS
4. Jack Johnson  (1908)-----last great performance: 1914   6'1"    192 LBS
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5. Larry Holmes  (1980)------last great performance: 1992    6'3"   212 LBS
6. George Foreman (1973)----last great performance: 1994  6'4"   218 LBS
7. Joe Frazier  (1971)-----last great performance: 1975          5'11"  205 LBS
8. Sonny Liston  (1960)-----last great performance: 1964       6'1"   213 LBS
9. Lennox Lewis   (1997)----last great performance: 2002      6'5"   244 LBS $$$$teroids
10. Riddick Bowe   (1992)-----last great performance: 1995   6'5"   235 LBS
11. Jack Dempsey  (1919)----last great performance: 1927   6'1"   187 LBS
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12. Evander Holyfield  (1991)---last great performance: 1999   6'2"  208 LBS  $$$$teroids
13. Rocky Marciano  (1953)-----last great performance: 1955  5'11"  185 LBS
14. Floyd Patterson  (1957)-----last great performance: 1967   6'0"   190 LBS
15. Jim Jeffries  (1900)----------last great performance: 1903    6'2"    206 LBS
16. Harry Wills (1915)-----------last great performance: 1924     6'2"   205 LBS
17. Ken Norton      (1973)---------last great performance: 1978  6'3"   210 LBS
18. Wladimir Klitschko  (2006)-----last great performance: 2013  6'6"  241 LBS $$$$teroids
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19. Gene Tunney  (1926)---------last great performance: 1928   6'0"  190 LBS
20. Ezzard Charles (1950)-------last great performance: 1954   6'0"   185 LBS
21. Sam Langford (1912)---------last great performance: 1920   5'7"   185 LBS
22. Michael Spinks (1985)-------last great performance: 1987   6'2"   200 LBS
23. Michael Moorer (1994)------last great performance: 1994    6'2"   214 LBS   $$$$$teroids
24. Vitali Klitschko (2004)--------last great performance: 2012    6'8"  250 LBS   $$$$$teroids
25. Jersey Joe Walcott (1947)----last great performance: 1952  6'0"  194 LBS
26. Buster Douglas (1990)-------last great performance: 1990    6'3"   232 LBS
27. Tim Witherspoon (1985)------last great performance: 1996   6'3"   221 LBS
28. Gerry Cooney (1982)----------last great performance: 1982   6'6"   225 LBS
29. Ike Ibeabuchi (1997)-----------last great performance: 1999   6'2"   235 LBS  $$$$$teroids
30. Max Schmeling (1931)---------last great performance: 1936   6'1"   190 LBS
31. Ingemar Johansson (1959)----last great performance: 1961  6'1"   196 LBS
32. John L. Sullivan (1882)-------last great performance: 1892    5'11"   205 LBS
33. Max Baer (1933)---------------last great performance: 1940    6'2"    203 LBS
34. Carl Williams (1985)----------last great performance: 1993     6'4"    215 LBS
35. Oscar Bonavena (1966)------last great performance: 1969    5'11"  205 LBS
36. Jerry Quarry (1968)-----------last great performance: 1973    6'0"    198 LBS
37. Ernie Terrell (1964)------------last great performance: 1966   6'6"    203 LBS
38. Jimmy Ellis (1968)------------last great performance: 1970     6'1"    198 LBS
39. Michael Dokes (1983)-------last great performance: 1989     6'2"     216 LBS
40. Bob Fitzsimmons (1897)-----last great performance: 1902    6'0"    170 LBS
41. Tony Tubbs (1985)-----------last great performance: 1986     6'3"   229 LBS
42. Jimmy Young (1976)---------last great performance: 1977     6'2"   213 LBS
43. Ray Mercer (1995)------------last great performance: 1996    6'1"   225 LBS
44. Andrew Golota (1996)-------last great performance: 2004     6'4"   243 LBS  $$$$$teroids
45. Tommy Morrison (1993)----last great performance: 1995      6'2"   226 LBS $$$$teroids
46. Chris Byrd  (2002)------------last great performance: 2004     6'0"   214 LBS
47. Frank Bruno (1986)----------last great performance: 1995     6'3"   238 LBS  $$$$$teroids
48. Ron Lyle (1974)--------------last great performance: 1976      6'3"   216 LBS
49. James Toney (2003)--------last great performance: 2006      5'10"  217 LBS $$$$teroids
50. Pinklon Thomas (1984)----last great performance: 1985       6'3"   216 LBS


Top 25 careers in Heavyweight History
1. Joe Louis................25 quality wins,  26-1 in Title Fights  (Champion in 12 years) 
2. Muhammad Ali......28 quality wins, 22-3 in Title Fights  (Champion in 9 years) CHAMPION 3X
3. Lennox Lewis........15 quality wins, 15-2-1 in Title Fights (Champion in 9 years) CHAMPION 2X
4. Larry Holmes.........15 quality wins, 20-5 in Title Fights (Champion in 8 years)  
5. Rocky Marciano.....11 quality wins, 7-0 in Title Fights (Champion in 4 years)
6. Wladimir Klitschko....18 quality wins, 22-2 in Title Fights (Champion in 9 years as of 2014)
7. Jack Johnson..........14 quality wins, 5-1-1 in Title Fights (Champion in 8 years)
8. George Foreman....13 quality wins, 5-2 in Title Fights (Champion in 4 years)  CHAMPION 2X
9. Joe Frazier...............12 quality wins, 10-2 in Title Fights (Champion in 6 years)
10. Jack Dempsey.........12 quality wins, 6-2 in Title Fights (Champion in 8 years)
11. Evander Holyfield..16 quality wins, 10-7-2 in Title Fights (Champ in 10 years) CHAMPION 3X
12. Mike Tyson................14 quality wins, 12-4 in Title Fights (Champion in 6 years) CHAMPION 2X
13. Floyd Patterson........13 quality wins, 8-5 in Title Fights  (Champion in 6 years)  CHAMPION 2X
14. Vitali Klitschko...........10 quality wins, 13-2 in Title Fights 
15. John L. Sullivan..........7 quality wins, 3-1-1 in Title Fights (Champion for 10 years)
16. Gene Tunney.............14 quality wins, 3-0 in Title Fights (Champion in 3 years)
17. Ezzard Charles..........18 quality wins, 9-4 in Title Fights (Champion in 3 years)
18. Jim Jeffries...................7 quality wins, 8-1 in Title Fights (Champion in 5 years)
19. Riddick Bowe............10 quality wins, 5-1 in Title Fights (Champion in 3 years)
20. Sonny Liston..............10 quality wins, 2-2 in Title Fights (Champion in 4 years)
21. Michael Spinks............6 quality wins, 3-1 in Title Fights (Champion in 3 years)
22. Max Schmeling...........8 quality wins, 2-2 in Title Fights (Champion in 2 years)
23. Max Baer.....................6 quality wins, 1-1 in Title Fights (Champion in 2 years)
24. Primo Carnera............8 quality wins, 3-1 in Title Fights (Champion in 2 years)
25. Jersey Joe Walcott.....6 quality wins, 2-5 in Title Fights (Champion in 2 years)

Top 100 NBA Players of All Time


Simple criteria:  Overall Abilities + Amount and Duration of Success (Ind & Team)

1. Michael Jordan              .659      .665
2. Bill Russell                   .717      .648
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar    .688      .650
4. Wilt Chamberlain          .628      .550
5. Magic Johnson              .674      .740
6. Larry Bird                    .736      .604
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7. Shaquille O'Neal            .679      .634
8. Tim Duncan            
9. Kobe Bryant
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
11. LeBron James
12. Oscar Robertson
13. Karl Malone
14. Jerry West                   .638 .569
15. Moses Malone
16. Julius Erving
17. Elgin Baylor
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18. Kevin Garnett
19. Charles Barkley
20. John Havlicek
21. David Robinson
22. Scottie Pippen               .688      .654
23. John Stockton
24. Dirk Nowitzki
25. Bob Pettit 
26. Isiah Thomas
27. Allen Iverson
28. Clyde Drexler
29. Rick Barry
30. Patrick Ewing
31. Steve Nash
32. Dave Cowens
33. Bob Cousy
34. Willis Reed
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35. Jason Kidd
36. Dominique Wilkins
37. Kevin McHale
38. Walt Frazier
39. Bob McAdoo
40. Elvin Hayes
41. Nate Archibald
42. Paul Pierce
43. Ray Allen
44. Wes Unseld
45. Dwyane Wade
46. George Gervin
47. Sam Jones
48. Robert Parish
49. Gary Payton
50. Chris Webber

Guys That Would Be Pissed at Me:
51. Jerry Lucas
52. Adrian Dantley
53. James Worthy
54. Billy Cunningham
55. Dennis Johnson
56. Nate Thurmond
57. Pete Maravich
58. Bob Lanier
59. Dennis Rodman
60. Dave DeBusschere
61. Artis Gilmore
62. Tommy Heinsohn
63. Earl Monroe
64. Chris Mullin
65. Walt Bellamy
66. Reggie Miller
67. Bill Walton
68. Hal Greer
69. George Mikan
70. Spencer Haywood
71. Carmelo Anthony
72. Vince Carter
73. Dave Bing
74. Mitch Richmond
75. Mark Aguirre
76. Alex English
77. Alonzo Mourning
78. Tracy McGrady
79. Tony Parker
80. Lenny Wilkens
81. Ron Harper
82. Grant Hill
83. Chauncey Billups
84. Dan Issel
85. Pau Gasol
86. Dolph Schayes
87. Bernard King
88. Paul Arizin
89. Maurice Cheeks
90. Kevin Johnson
91. Mark Jackson
92. Sam Cassell
93. Paul Westphal
94. Tim Hardaway
95. Terry Cummings
96. Joe Dumars
97. Stephon Marbury
98. Tom Chambers
99. Glen Rice
100. Bill Sharman

Saturday, August 2, 2014

Top 30 Dunkers of All-Time (All Players of NBA Level and their Ability and Resume)


JOEL AND JAY STRAIGHT UP CORRECT LIST OF DUNKERS
1. Vince Carter
2. Michael Jordan
3. Dominique Wilkins
4. Julius Erving
5. Jason Richardson
6. James White
7. Spud Webb
8. Gerald Green
9. Josh Smith
10. Larry Nance
11. LeBron James
12. David Thompson
13. Blake Griffin
14. Nate Robinson
15. Dwight Howard
16. Shawn Kemp
17. Tracy McGrady
18. Desmond Mason
19. Darrell Griffith
20. Clyde Drexler
21. Terrance Stansbury
22. Kobe Bryant
23. Ricky Davis
24. Andre Iguodala
25. Harold Miner
26. Kenny Walker
27. Darryl Dawkins
28. J.R. Smith
29. Steve Francis
30. Dwyane Wade

Sunday, August 19, 2012

The Top 25 Basketball Players of All Time

The criteria is:  Individual Ability and Expertise as a Player, Career Accomplishments, Longevity

1. Michael Jordan
2. Bill Russell
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Magic Johnson
6. Larry Bird
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Kobe Bryant
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Oscar Robertson
11. Tim Duncan
12. Karl Malone
13. Jerry West
14. Julius Erving
15. Moses Malone
16. Elgin Baylor
17. LeBron James
18. Kevin Garnett
19. Charles Barkley
20. John Havlicek
21. David Robinson
22. Scottie Pippen
23. Bob Pettit
24. Dirk Nowitzki
25. Bob Cousy

Friday, February 24, 2012

Hakeem or Moses





































After the absolute top-tier (Wilt, Russell, Kareem, Shaq), we're faced with the difficult task of choosing either Hakeem Olajuwon or Moses Malone as the 5th best center of all-time. Obviously Hakeem was the greater athlete, but Moses put up some fierce numbers over a ridiculously long career. Who was better?


Wednesday, February 8, 2012

Willie Mays or Hank Aaron


How does one measure success as a baseball player? Championships are obviously a place to begin, but MVPs may count even more. Baseball, with its 9 players involved in each aspect of the game, is much less about the play of one man than is football or basketball. It's rare that we describe baseball players as "taking over games" or "catching fire". Baseball is a slower game, told in the day-to-day accumulation of stats and percentages. One at bat tells very little about a player, but career totals send a clear message.

If stats are to be especially valued in baseball arguments, then the debate between Hank Aaron and Willie Mays is a truly interesting one.

Hits: Aaron 3771, Mays 3283
HomeRuns: Aaron 755, Mays 660
RBIs: Aaron 2297, Mays 1903

Batting Avg: Aaron .305, Mays .302
MVPs: Mays 2, Aaron 1
Titles: Aaron 1, Mays 1
Steals: Mays 338, Aaron 240
Gold Gloves: Mays 12, Aaron 3
On Base Pct: Mays .384, Aaron .374

What's obvious to me is that Aaron was the better hitter, and Mays the better fielder. Mays was faster (as evidenced by more steals), but Aaron seemed more powerful and more durable. Aaron's 95 home run and 394 RBI edges are significant. And his slight advantage in batting average, .305 to .302, gives him a very strong case for superiority at the plate.

But Mays came before Aaron, and he was a smiling, endearing figure known as "the Say Hey Kid." He made highlight plays in the field and had 2 50-home-run seasons (52 and 51). He was perhaps the first superior athlete in major American sports. There's something about the fact that he never broke Babe Ruth's hallowed record (714 homeruns) that almost makes him easier to like.

Hank Aaron bested one of the greatest records in all of sports when he hit home run no. 715 in 1974. Many people cringed at seeing the immortal Babe Ruth replaced in the record books. Little did we know how much more we'd cringe when Aaron was passed by the steroid-using cheater, Barry Bonds. Much respect to Hank Aaron, the only steroid-free man to hit 715 home runs.

Advantage: AARON